some circumstance to get us through august 2nd. two, we sure shouldn't put the country through this again in six months. and three, if we get through august 2nd with whatever the down payment is, if we don't have an approach that's going to be really bipartisan and comprehensive that gets us close to $4 trillion in debt reduction over the next ten years we're backing this problem three months, six months, nine months, 12 months from now and that's not good for the country. >> why don't they all go into at that room. go up to camp david or force themselves into at that room, the president, the vice president, the democratic and republican leaders of the house and the senate and they don't leave until they come up with a plan that can get a majority vote in the house of representatives and a majority vote in the senate? it doesn't sound all that complicated, and, frankly, the differences don't seem to be all that enormous. >> wolf, i was a business guy for 20 years. i was a governor for four years.